The Venom Movie is DOA Because Sony Fails to Understand the Character

Now that the confusion over the non-Spider-Man Venom movie has been cleared up by Sony, where it won\’t exist in the MCU and thus have no connection to Spider-Man, we can clearly see how the movie is dead on arrival. Not because Tom Hardy will make a poor Venom, but because of a fundamental failure to understand why Venom was a great Spider-Man villain.

Everyone knows how in the comics Spider-Man finds an alien symbiote who tries to meld with him. How he finds the symbiote doesn\’t really matter, and Raimi\’s origin was fine in that regard. The original Secret Wars was just an action-figure tie-in so that angle isn\’t needed for Venom\’s origin.

But Spider-Man absolutely is.

In the comics, Venom became one of Spider-Man\’s best villains in the 90s because of his origin being literally spawned off the back of Spidey. Because the symbiote was part of Spider-Man, Venom became immune to Spider-Sense. That means that Venom was pretty much the only threat who could sneak up on Spider-Man from behind. It made him truly lethal and it was one of he best elements of the character.

Without a connection to Spider-Man you lose that, and you basically get a superhero version of Sony\’s recent scifi movie Life. It isn\’t really \”Venom\”. It\’s Venom-in-name-only. And it\’s a shame as Marvel is doing some cool things with Venom in the comics right now, returning Eddie Brock to the role and a big \”Venomverse\” event similar to the recent Spiderverse.

If Sony were smart they\’d be patient and wait for Marvel to want to use Venom in the MCU. Then we could get Spider-Man in the story and have something that makes up for Spider-Man 3. As it stands right now, we\’ll probably be fondly looking back on Spider-Man 3 by the time Sony\’s Venom movie hits theaters in 2018…

Sony\’s Venom & Black Cat Movies Are NOT Set in the MCU

Last week an interview with Sony\’s Amy Pascal and Marvel\’s Kevin Feige went viral when it appeared that Sony was claiming their upcoming Spider-Man spin-offs would take place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Since then there have been some confusing contradictions to that interview with a lot of misinformation and fake news on whether or not Sony meant what they were saying or if it came off wrong and the spin-offs weren\’t in the MCU.

Fandango\’s editor spoke to both Amy Pascal and Kevin Feige to get clarification, and Sony wanted to clear up that none of those movies take place in the MCU:


So now we\’re basically where we started. Sony is still making a couple of Spider-Man spin-offs that won\’t be set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which means they\’re making movies no one wants to see. And Sony wonders why their film division is bleeding money so fast.

Sony\’s Venom Movie Will Have No Connection to Spider-Man


Today it was announced that Sony has hired yet another writer to tackle their Venom movie, but it’s also sounding like a wasted effort.

In perhaps one of the dumbest decisions since Warner greenlit Steel and Catwoman, Sony’s Venom movie will have no connection to the rebooted Spider-Man franchise and exist completely unrelated to the character. Yes, you heard that right. A character who’s origin is linked directly to Spider-Man will be featured in a movie that exists in a universe where there is no Spider-Man.

This is obviously due to the fact that Spider-Man now exists in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and Avi Arad is the producer of Venom. Many Marvel fans know that there is a very strained history between him and Marvel Studios, which is why he’s not really involved in the rebooted Spider-Man series.

But making a Venom movie that’s not connect to Spider-Man is about as dumb as making a Superman movie where Krypton doesn’t explode!

Why Flash Thompson Could Be Venom in the Movie

Agent VenomWhen a Venom movie was announced by Sony, people immediately began to speculate as to what Venom the movie would focus on. Not counting Parker in the black suit, there have been three other characters to wear the symbiote in the comics. The original is Eddie Brock, but then there was Mac Gargan (The Scorpion) and most recently Flash Thompson.

In an interview with Comic Book Resources, Alex Kurtzman fueled the fire of speculation even more:

Did you have an easy choice as to which incarnation of Venom, which guy under the symbiote skin, you want to go with?

I would not say it’s an easy choice. I would say that there are quite a few things about Venom that are interesting. Venom had several different iterations, and there are several things that are very unique, interesting and specific. And so I think we all want to make sure that we’re making the right choices for a character that’s so beloved.

While some people who are unfamiliar with the comics are immediately thinking that it’ll be Eddie Brock, there are some good reasons why it could be Flash Thompson.

The biggest reason is because Eddie Brock doesn’t yet exist in the Amazing Spider-Man cinematic universe. Sure, they could invent him and introduce him in the movie, because that worked out so well in Raimi’s Spider-Man 3. Yet on the other hand, Flash Thompson already exists in this universe, and was established as the familiar jock he is in the comics.

Another huge reason they could go with Flash is because due to Agent Venom’s popularity, he has become THE Venom in all aspects of Spider-Man. Marvel recently introduced the Flash Thompson Venom in the Ultimate Spider-Man animated series, and in the comics they’ve made him a member of Guardians of the Galaxy and the focus of a major storyline this October.

That, and because the Flash Venom has been the most interesting version of the character who has the most storytelling possibilities for a movie. Those who just know Venom from Hot Topic T-Shirts and the like probably don’t know how one-sided the Brock Venom really was in the comics.

Just based on the momentum of the Flash Thompson Venom, and Kurtzman not committing to what version of the character will be in the movie, it’s a bit premature to place your bets on Eddie Brock…

Bendis Will Reveal Venom\’s Homeworld in November

Venom Guardians of the GalaxyWhile readers of the current run of Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy by Brian Michael Bendis may be longing for the days of the 2008 series, the current run has had its bright spots. Early on we got to see Rocket interacting with Tony Stark, and it was as awesome as you think. Since then the team has had a floater member ranging from Angela, to Captain Marvel, and now Agent Venom. The story has been dropping hints of the “Symbiote Planet” for a couple issues, and now we’re going to see it.

MTV has a piece talking to Bendis about finally revealing where Venom came from:

“I looked it up and I was like no, there’s been a planet we’ve seen taken over by symbiotes, but have we not seen the planet of the symbiotes?” Bendis said. “I called [Marvel Senior Vice President Of Publishing] Tom Brevoort, I go, could it be that even in the craziness of the ’90s when it was Venom, Venom, Venom every five seconds, that this story has not been told? And he goes, yeah we’ve never been there. And I’m like, now I have to do it! It’s crazy.”

“It will be a planet full of symbiotes,” Editor Mark Marts added on what to expect from the story, “But beyond that, it’s a lot of mystery. But we will be adding to the symbiote mythology in ways the average reader won’t expect at all.”

The symbiote planet will be revealed in November’s Guardians of the Galaxy #21 and will be a three-part story arc.

The Venom Symbiote Cut from The Amazing Spider-Man 2

asm-2-venomDid you know there was originally a Venom Easter Egg in The Amazing Spider-Man 2? At the end of the movie when Gustav Fiers is walking along the Oscorp suits for Doc Ock, Vulture, and Rhino they originally had the Venom symbiote next to the Vulture wings. This was shown in an alternate trailer for the movie, and the scene was obviously changed for the final film.

10 of the Most Ridiculous Spider-Man Story Arcs

We all love Spider-Man. After all, who wouldn’t. The story of an ordinary kid caught in an extraordinary situation desperately trying to catch a break is as old as adolescence itself. The story lines then, shouldn’t be all too hard. All the writers have to do is put themselves in Peter Parker‘s tights and offer a little variation for artistry’s sake. In spite of that, writers still manage to screw that up. Whether it be for the reason of needlessly upsetting the status quo or simply not trying for the sake of filling in a deadline, the Spider-Man mythos is riddled with terribly conceived story arcs. Here are our list of the worst Spider-Man story arcs we’d like to forget or at least see retconned.

Spider-Man Power Pack #1/1

Who’s Peter Parker’s greatest foe? If you say Uncle Ben’s Killer or the Green Goblin, then think again. The person responsible for the Wed Head’s greatest scars is no other than a simple high school student. In this issue, Marvel tried to tackle the issue of child molestation and the urgency of children to report such behavior. Here in these pages it’s revealed that Peter Parker was molested by a High School student at an early age. There’s a valuable theme to all this in which victims of child abuse shouldn’t feel ashamed of being victimized, but all that gets swept under the rug due to the focus that our favorite hero was manhandled in all the worst ways. No writer has ever referred to this past issue again, and as far as we’re concerned, it should have never happened.

Maximum Carnage

Spider-Fans are going to hold our feet over the flames for selecting this one. Two of the only reasons as to why fans have a special place for this are because 1.) It’s a cross over, and 2.) It’s ultra violent. That’s great and all, but the former implies that X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins: Wolverine were fantastic movies because they crammed in as many characters as possible without care for substance or plot. The latter preference for ultra-violence is an indicator as to why 90s comics sucked so much. If you want ultra-violence, then read the Punisher, some heroes don’t need a goretastic steroid-enhanced makeover and Spider-Man is one of them. Let’s not forget that despite his fanbase, Carnage is not all that remarkable. Cletus Cassady is basically the Joker infused with Superman’s power levels. Some people may think this is awesome, but we say it’s unoriginal.

The Clone Saga

You all should have saw this coming. It’s the reason why former Spider-man die hards haven’t read comics since the 90s. Marvel tried remaining relevant in changing the status quo in reaction to DC temporarily crippling Batman and killing Superman. After Dolly the sheep, cloning was a serious topic of discussion at the time, so the editors decided to roll with that. Not only did the series last several years too many, but the decision to declare Ben Reilly the one and only Spider-Man met with unprecedented backlash. Rendering Peter Parker crazed and out of character in response to this revelation didn’t help either. Marvel has undergone serious hurdles to sweep this one under the rug, even if it meant not so much as acknowledging Peter’s “brother” Kane for the next 15 years as a result of it.

Spider-Man: Chapter One

The Webslinger’s origin story remains one of the most beloved in comic book archives. Instead of revising it with a modern twist, they decided to update it with distastefully contrived reboots with his other cast of villains. If ain’t broke, then don’t fix it. The best that came out of this whole mess was that it served as alternate archetype for Michael Bendis’s Ultimate Spider-Man series.

Spider-Man: Sins Past

Straczynski’s a good writer, but he tangled himself in a mess that not even the editors could revive him from. Making Gwen Stacy the father of the Green Goblin’s children and accelerating their age was too convoluted as far as even comics are concerned. Neither explanation was convincing for that matter.

Spider-Man: The Other

Here’s an idea, let’s make a character who has faced off against a rogues gallery of technologically infused villains and add a few magical ones instead. While we’re at it, why don’t we make the heroes powers steeped in the supernatural rather than the pseudo-scientific as it was in the past. Let’s splash in some pompous dialogue and unconvincingly fake his death in addition to tweaking his iconic powers and see how that pans out.

Spider-Man: Reign

Oh, boy. We get that Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns was a classic, but does that mean that every super hero deserves the same treatment? Spider-Man was well known as the character who faced constant adversity, yet fought with a joy of life in spite of that. Let’s not forget that he was also known as the ever-youthful kid at heart, so why then would Marvel feel the need to depict him as a decrepit old man for the sake of sales? To make matters worse, Mary Jane’s death by radioactive semen was just gross.

Spider-Man: Back in Black

More like back in blah, ahmiright? To coincide with the ill-conceived Spider-Man 3 movie, the editors decided to have Parker don his black threads to reflect his newly adopted angsty view on life. With his Aunt May in the hospital from a botched assassination attempt, Spidey goes on a rampage searching for her killer. As a result, he acts violent and out of character without even the black symbiote to crutch against as an excuse.

Spider-Man: One More Day

We hate retcons, and this one takes the cake. In order to reverse both his marriage to Mary Jane, the impending death of Aunt May, and public knowledge of his identity, he literally has to form a pact with the devil. Literally, the entire retcon was simply a magic trick which rendered Superboy Prime’s “reality pound” intelligent by comparison.

Ultimate Spider-Man: Ultimatum

This is on the list solely by association. The Ultimatum storyline literally had the Ultimate universe go out not with a bang, but a whimper. With deaths thrown left and right simply for the sake of shock value, there was scarcely little attraction into this entire endeavor concocted by Jeph Loeb.

10 Biggest Superhero Movie Opening Weekends

Super Hero Movies. We all love and watch them here at Furious FanBoys. And if you don’t, then why else are you here? Listed in this entry are 10 super hero opening weekends of all time.

The Dark Knight (2008)

Also considered the greatest superhero movie of all time, it should come as no surprise that its enthroned in this list. The Dark Knight raked in as much money as Bruce Wayne with $158,411,483.

Spider-Man 3 (2007)

Hyped up due to the introduction of fan favorite, “Venom,” it didn’t quite match up to the critical and fan reception of its predecessors, but still managed to run away with $151,116,516.

Iron Man 2 (2010)

The stocks for Stark Enterprise must be soaring with this year’s Summer blockbuster. Ironman 2 earned $128,122,480 with it’s success.

Spider-Man (2002)

Any fan would tell you that this was the adaptation everyone was waiting for. However, some critics were skeptical due to the number of hands it changed over the decades including James Cameron’s. At the time it was ranked with the highest opening weekend earning $114,844,116before the others listed above were released.

X-Men: The Last Stand (2006)

Even though Brian Singer left the project, the prospective conclusion to the X-Men franchise didn’t stop fans from clamoring to theaters. It did away with $102,750,665 even though some fans and critics were disappointed with its outcome.

Iron Man (2008)

This B-List hero surprised critics and audiences with its success and propelled Robert Downey Jr. even further down the path as a character actor. Tony Stark’s income rose $98,618,668 opening weekend.

Spider-Man 2 (2004)

Proving that critical adoration doesn’t necessarily translate to financial success as demonstrated by the income of it’s other installments, Spider-Man 2 still made $88,156,227.

X2: X-Men United (2003)

The sequel to the originator of this decade’s “superhero boom” was undoubtedly going to meet with financial success with an opening weekend of $85,558,731.

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)

Audiences were eager to discover the origins of Marvel’s most mysterious mutant and shelled out $85,058,003 opening weekend.

The Incredibles (2004)

Everything Pixar weaves is pure cinematic gold so it shouldn’t come as a surprise that their own take on the superhero genre was met with equal parts financial and critical success. It’s funny that the Fantastic Four, the very comic it was inspired by, couldn’t quite meet up to it’s opening success of $70,467,623.